Herbert & Eliza

It was their daughter Dorothy who recalled that the union of her parents was due to Herbert's endeavour;  to move forward after the death of his first wife and re-connect with Eliza McCarthy - also known as Lyda, a woman with whom he was previously acquainted.  Herbert travelled to New York to interrupt Eliza's work as a nurse at St. Luke's Hospital, and asked for her hand in marriage.

Herbert and Eliza Fox Wedding Day.  April 25, 1906
Eliza and Herbert Marriage Certificate

Diocese of Niagara on the 25th day of April 1906

Were Married Herbert Fox. - of the City of Hamilton, Ontario - Widower and Eliza Emma McCarthy of the said city of Hamilton - Spinster.  By me Chas. E. Whiticombe, Rector of St. Mathews, Hamilton.

This Marriage was solemnized between us.

Witnesses:  Henry J. McCarthy, Winnifred E. Byrne, Herbert Fox, Eliza Emma McCarthy.

I Certify that the above particulars are truly extracted from the Register of Marriages kept in the parish of St. Matthew's Hamilton this 25 day of April 1906.  Chas. E. Whiticombe Rector of St. Matthews, Hamilton.

 

Bert and baby Wes on Gibson Avenue

Herbert made his living as a Pattern Maker developing wooden replicas and worked at Smart Turner in Hamilton. http://workerscity.ca/20th-century-industry/osborne-killey-manufacturing-company/.   His one hand became locked in a semi-closed position as a result of the physical strain.  He also served on the Board of Management for St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church in 1917 and 1920.

Eliza and Herbert's first house on Gibson Avenue was in a new development in Hamilton where they helped board extended family members. Between 1907 and 1915, two addresses appear in correspondence to the Foxes - 256 and 228 Gibson Avenue.  Vintage Hamilton Photos found that the Foxes' house number in the city directory listings changed from #256 in 1911 to #270 in 1913, and in 1915 it permanently became 228 Gibson Ave.  These changes were partially due to the City of Hamilton annexing land from Barton Township.

As family lore dictates, the need to stock a new kitchen with pots and pans and dishes required Lyda to take a hefty $100 plus shopping trip, causing quite a sensation at the store.  It is in this era they welcomed the birth of their four sons.

  1. Herbert (aka Bert) Barnsley: 1907 - 1981

  2. Elmer Bradwell:  1908 - 1908 - died at 6 weeks.

  3. Wesley (aka Wes) Maxwell:  1909 - 1988

  4. Walter Birley (aka Birley) :  1910 - 1978

Herbert and Eliza Fox - Fox Family History_Page_04
Bert on steps, Herbert behind.  Two women - perhaps Eliza and Herbert's sister Maude.
Bert on steps, Herbert behind. Two women - perhaps Eliza and Herbert's sister Maude.
228 Gibson
228 Gibson
228 Gibson Avenue

228 Gibson Avenue

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Elmer Bradwell Fox Death Certificate

Grand Trunk Railway System  Transportation of Corpse  Physician's or Coroner's Certificate

Name of Deceased - Elmer Bradwell Fox  Date of Death - September 14th 1908  Hour of Death - 5pm   Age - 40 Days  Place of Death - Dunnville  Cause of Death - Thrush with intestinal hemorrhage and convulsions which is a ----communicable disease.

I hereby -----above is true to the best of my knowledge and belief.  A Mair M.D. or Coroner.  Residence - Dunnville County of Haldimand Province or County of Ontario

Permit of Local Board of Health

This permit must be properly signed and with Physician's Certificate presented to the Railway Agent before a body can be shipped.

In the Town of Dunnville County of Haldimand Prov. or State of Ontario on the 14 day of Sept. 1908 Permission is hereby given Herbert Fox to remove for burial at Hamilton, Ont. in the County of Wentworth Prov. or State of Ont. the body of Elmer Bradwell Fox who died at Dunnville County of Halmimand Prov. or State of Ont on the 14 day of Sept. 1908 Aged 40 days and he is hereby authorized to accomany any remains.

Signed JW Holmes Secy lveal Bd Health

July 4, 1915, 228 Gibson Avenue  Dear Daddy  I am getting along very well at school. I got a diploma at school.   And I passed. What will you give me for getting a diploma. How are you are you getting along very well. I had a good time at the  ???? I was on the merry-go-round and the towers (?) And on the bigger one. We had balls Birley lost his at the levers of the figure 8 (?). And he got a new one  and then he lost it. And I lost mine down the sewer and Wesley's is still on the go. And I had a five (?????) Mr. Fox's eldest son.
Gibson Ave - Bert
July 4, 1915, 228 Gibson Avenue
Dear Daddy I am getting along very well at school.
I got a diploma at school.
And I passed. What will you give me for getting a diploma.
How are you? Are you getting along very well. I had a good time at the (illegible).
I was on the merry-go-round and the towers (illegible) And on the bigger one.
We had balls Birley lost his at the levers of the figure 8 (illegible). And he got a new one and then he lost it. And I lost mine down the sewer and Wesley's is still on the go. And I had a five (illegible)
Mr. Fox's eldest son.
(Bert, age 8).
July 4, 1915 228 Gibson Avenue, Hamilton  Dear Herb,  Received your letter Friday morning, suppose it was delayed on account of the holiday.  Mr. Turner was inquiring about you Sat.  he was very nice.  I phoned Mr. U. he got a letter the same time as I got mine.  Did you get the letter I sent last Mon?  What do you think of Bert's letter.  he did it all himself I hod him he was to write without help hope you can make it out he scribbled it off in a few minutes, was going to make him do it over but thought you would enjoy it this way. The last line is Mr Fox's eldest son.  I think that is some joke have laughed over that a good deal but did not let him know, pleas keep it. Mr. Evans was here on the 1st.  He stayed for dinner and make me promise to go to London wanted to take me back with him.  Mr. Mattic is some better but not out yet. Allie (Ollie?) is not improving very much but taking of leaving hospital. Monday morning light went out so had to stop, was just going to tell you how hard it was raining. Two cataract wires fell across the road and we watched them until the men came to cut them at 10 o'clock, we had had lots of rain lately.  too bad you have had so much but hope it as dried up by this time and that everything is working smoothly for you. Washed last Tuesday and was just finished when a crate of berries came from Dunnville did not hear from them but sent word that I would be up a little later. House next door is still empty no one seems to want it.  Well dear I will close there does not seem to be any news to tell you, so success to you have a good time if possible. Your with love xxxxx Lyda
Herbert and Eliza Fox - Fox Family History_Page_17
Herbert and Eliza Fox - Fox Family History_Page_18

July 4, 1915

228 Gibson Avenue, Hamilton

Dear Herb,

Received your letter Friday morning, suppose it was delayed on account of the holiday. Mr. Turner was inquiring about you Sat. he was very nice. I phoned Mr. U. he got a letter the same time as I got mine. Did you get the letter I sent last Mon? What do you think of Bert's letter. he did it all himself I told him he was to write without help hope you can make it out he scribbled it off in a few minutes, was going to make him do it over but thought you would enjoy it this way. The last line is Mr Fox's eldest son. I think that is some joke have laughed over that a good deal but did not let him know, please keep it.

Mr. Evans was here on the 1st. He stayed for dinner and make me promise to go to London wanted to take me back with him.

Mr. Mattic is some better but not out yet. Allie (Ollie?) is not improving very much but taking of leaving hospital.

Monday morning light went out so had to stop, was just going to tell you how hard it was raining. Two cataract wires fell across the road and we watched them until the men came to cut them at 10 o'clock, we had had lots of rain lately. too bad you have had so much but hope it as dried up by this time and that everything is working smoothly for you. Washed last Tuesday and was just finished when a crate of berries came from Dunnville did not hear from them but sent word that I would be up a little later. House next door is still empty no one seems to want it. Well dear I will close there does not seem to be any news to tell you, so success to you have a good time if possible.

Yours with love xxxxx

Lyda

In 1909 Herbert's father and mother purchased a farm of their own in Dunnville after living in Hamilton and farming locally since arriving in Canada in 1887.  Produce was shipped to the Hamilton Market from the farm via train.  Herbert and his parents remained closely intertwined for their lifetime.  Both extended families shared leisure activities and helped each other out when in need.

1918 saw the birth of Herbert and Eliza's Daughter Dorothy (1918-2003), and a move to a new house on Balmoral Avenue.

Herbert Fox, Parents and Siblings scan - Fox Family History_Page_06-1

Dunnville photo postcard.  On back is written: Dear Lyda, We will send you a crate of eggs in a few days. Hope you are all well, Mother. (Elizabeth Fox)

Right photo - Bert and Dorothy 1934

Bert and Dorothy at Dunnville Farm.  See www.rasc.ca/herbert-fox for a summary of Bert's work.  Bert also took up photography as a hobby and was known to have lent out a Kodak 620 box camera to his nephew who was inspired to take the family pastime through the next generation.

 

 

 

Herbert, Dorothy and Eliza
Herbert, Dorothy and Eliza

Herbert admired machinery and feats of engineered systems. He sought to photograph collective images of trains and boats (Historic Hamilton).  Cars in particular were the one thing he could own and extol personal enjoyment first hand.  With this activity there were many long trips for his family, and accidents as Dorothy remembered: being sandwiched in the back seat with grandma or an aunt going at top speed down a bumpy road, and having at least one major turnover in the ditch that saw some family members thrown out of the car.  Cuts and cuncussions were the result, no one was tragically injured.

Oct. 4th, 1931

 

Your description of your silver wedding trip to New York was also very interesting to read but we were sorry about you having your car stolen & hope by now you have got recompense for the loss thereof. It must have been very annoying at the time.

Aunt Hannah R. Somerset

31 Hemsworth Rd. Norton Woodseats, Sheffield

Balmoral Avenue (L- R) Dorothy, Wes, Birley, Bert, Eliza, Herb Fox.  
"At least the cars are in focus."  Fox grandson.
Balmoral Avenue (L- R) Dorothy, Wes, Birley, Bert, Eliza, Herb Fox. "At least the cars are in focus." Fox grandson.

Life continued for Eliza and Herbert with the marriages of their four children and watching their grandchildren grow.  They helped to support extended family members by opening up their home if there was need for a place to stay.  After Herbert retired they both kept busy with church, took many local road trips, and a voyage back to England.  Herbert also continued to create objects out of wood:  games, and toy guns for his grandaughters who performed on stage.

Herbert and Eliza

Document of Lyda...
Eliza McCarthy scan - Fox Family History_Page_08-3
Herbert designed and installed cabinetry and counter top (grooved and sloped toward sink) for Dorothy's first house on Edgemont St. in Hamilton

Herbert designed and installed the hanging cabinetry and the counter top (grooved and sloped toward sink) for Dorothy's first house on Edgemont St. in Hamilton

By the early 1950's Eliza's health was failing.  She passed away at home at the age of seventy-four.  Herbert was with her, and wrote of the experience:

Lyda had a heart trouble for about 3 years, she was rushed to the hospital at midnight about a year and a half ago and put in an oxygen tent we did not expect to see her full through, it was a close call and she recovered enough to be brought home after two weeks, for a while continued to improve, later the attacks became more frequent and three months ago had to be taken back under oxygen again for 9 days and came home much better, she said at times she did not think there was a thing wrong with her and was preparing for nice drives this summer.

On June 9 she decided to stay in bed all day and get a good rest, she was sitting up working on her apparel a good friend neighbour was in for a short time they had a nice talk, at noon the neighbour had to leave, I was up with her and the phone rang I went down to get the message which was for her.  When I returned a change had come over her, she was still sitting up and when I spoke to her no response, then I stroked her forehead still no move and then I tried her pulse and no sign or move so i decided she was gone, then I called the Dr. he came about 45 min. later and after examination pronounced her gone.  So he called Birley (they were old friends) we then decided on an undertaker and then she was moved out at once.

It was a good way to go, no pain and absolute repose, but quite a shock to those left behind, we were really dazed for a while, she was the last of her family and in years outlived them all 74 yrs.  A good wife and mother, she saw all her family grow up married and doing well also eleven grandchildren which adds up to a full life, but we miss her very much.

 

She is much remembered by me as a much loved and appreciated grandmother who was always happy and giving of herself to others.

  Fox grandaughter.

Written on back by Herbert Fox:  In memory of Mrs. Herbert Fox (Lyda) who passed away June 9 1953.  A good wife and devoted mother.  And while she lies in peaceful sleep Her memory we shall always keep. - Husband and family, Bert, Wes, Birley and Dorothy.

Written on back:   In memory of Mrs. Herbert Fox (Lyda) who passed away June 9 1953. A good wife and devoted mother. And while she lies in peaceful sleep Her memory we shall always keep. - Husband and family, Bert, Wes, Birley and Dorothy.

Herbert lived a full agenda for the remainder of his life.  He continued to travel on his own, and kept in touch with family and friends.  He became a member of The D.O.K.K.  - Dramatic Order of the Knights of Khorassan, also known as The Dokeys with a devotion to non-sectarian charity work directed to aid children in need.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramatic_Order_of_the_Knights_of_Khorassan

Erik:  The Dramatic Order of the Knights of Khorassan or Dokeys are a side  degree of the Knights of Pythias, somewhat analogous to the Shriners  in Freemasonry. The Order was founded in 1894. (Wikipedia) And what a classy club meeting room at the Sippara Temple. Not often  you see spitoons these days!

D.O.K.K. meeting at the Sippara Temple.  Herbert Fox sitting far right beside spittoon.

Erik:  The Dramatic Order of the Knights of Khorassan or Dokeys are a side  degree of the Knights of Pythias, somewhat analogous to the Shriners  in Freemasonry. The Order was founded in 1894. (Wikipedia)
Erik:  The Dramatic Order of the Knights of Khorassan or Dokeys are a side  degree of the Knights of Pythias, somewhat analogous to the Shriners  in Freemasonry. The Order was founded in 1894. (Wikipedia)
Erik:  The Dramatic Order of the Knights of Khorassan or Dokeys are a side  degree of the Knights of Pythias, somewhat analogous to the Shriners  in Freemasonry. The Order was founded in 1894. (Wikipedia)

August 1955.  Competition at New York.  Nomads of Avrudaka 67 Winners of Drill.  This is the female auxillary for the spouses of the D.O.K.K

Herbert remained in his home on Balmoral Avenue for as long as it was possible.  He passed away peacefully in 1969 at the age of 91 at the Macassa Lodge in Hamilton.

Herbert Fox, 87th Birthday. June 24, 1964
Herbert Fox, 87th Birthday. June 24, 1964
Bert Fox letter received recognizing the passing of his father, Herbert Fox

A letter from the House of Commons addressed to Herbert's son Bert:

Ottawa August 11, 1969

Mr. Herbert B. Fox, Stoney Creek, Ontario:

Dear Mr/Fox:  I was sorry to hear of your recent bereavement, and wish to extended to you and the members of your family my sincere sympathy.

Yours faithfully, Colin D. Gibson, Q.C., M.P.  Hamilton -Wentworth